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Mordakai · Mar 28, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Regardless, you can always cash in your Faction (for crafting material even), and start at zero to do the other side.

This game is not "split in half", unless you want it to be.

Mandy Memory · Mar 28, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

You are right, Im paying full price...and half of the game is sissy Kurzicks. Sure Ill play it, BUT I WONT ENJOY IT!

nomed · Mar 28, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Shouldn't it cost twice as much, because they need to give players of both sides a whole unique game experience?

Woutsie · Mar 29, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

I bought Factions for 45€, I think thats like 55$ or something. Bit much, but if you see how long you can play Guild Wars...

50$ for a game you can like play, maybe 500 to 1000 hours? That is cheap.

mqstout · Mar 29, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

"I'm planning on the same thing. Take my one character from C1 choosing a side till the end of the game. Then take my other character from C1 then going to the other side."

Doesn't work. Faction is per-account, not per-character. You'll have to cash in like some people say you can.

"So it seems elite content and end game content will be for the most part locked out unless you are in a faction point farming alliance. Hopefully, that will change before the release."

That is absolutely rediculous. Refer to previous threads that argued at great length that that's an extremely terrible system. Alliances are quite limited -- and they definitely exclude the casual players like the vast majority of Guild Wars players. You might say "casual players would never want this content" but that is not true. Even as it is now, even casual players can occasionally make journeys into FoW/UW. With missions locked by alliance control, that's impossible. Extremely casual players sometimes don't even join guilds, let alone alliances... and moreso alliances that farm faction points.

Phoenix Denfer · Mar 29, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by nomed

Shouldn't it cost twice as much, because they need to give players of both sides a whole unique game experience?

My thoughts exactly.

I see it as paying to own two games for the price of one.

Don't be so hasty to hate one side over the other. The game trailer shows that it was a champion from each side of the war that defeated Shiro. Something drove those two sides apart, and each will have their own story to tell about it. I'm curious to find out if there will be more then one ending from the two story arcs. We won't know that until we see both sides.

WasAGuest · Mar 29, 2006, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by mqstout

That is absolutely rediculous. Refer to previous threads that argued at great length that that's an extremely terrible system. Alliances are quite limited -- and they definitely exclude the casual players like the vast majority of Guild Wars players. You might say "casual players would never want this content" but that is not true. Even as it is now, even casual players can occasionally make journeys into FoW/UW. With missions locked by alliance control, that's impossible. Extremely casual players sometimes don't even join guilds, let alone alliances... and moreso alliances that farm faction points.

Yea, that's what I was saying. The system as it is, is a mess and needs to be reworked. Farming for points takes the time of actually being able to play the game's missions for the casual gamer. Hence "Hopefull it will change before release".
I wasn't defending it by any means. My entire guild (but me) could be considered casual players. So, it'll be little old me all alone come release day (if I buy it) because of this mess of a system.
You can even find me being ripped apart in several threads for saying what you just did. lol - Fun times these days in the forum world. Woot!

Lucifer PVP · Mar 29, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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The Factions portion of gw:Factions (luxon Kurzick)seems a rather small part of the game coming out. If you made it to the only real pve mission during the weekend you would notice they join sides after the mission is over. So half of the game comment seems a little out of bounds. Unless they really changed the structure of the game

Mordakai · Mar 29, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

-Spoiler-
The Factions portion of gw:Factions (luxon Kurzick)seems a rather small part of the game coming out. If you made it to the only real pve mission during the weekend you would notice they join sides after the mission is over. So half of the game comment seems a little out of bounds. Unless they really changed the structure of the game

It depends on what you mean: The Alliance battles seem like they would be a huge part of Factions, after all, those are missions you can play over and over after you've "finished" the PvE portion, to capture towns or whatever little gimmicks Anet puts as rewards.

CKaz · Mar 29, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by antialias02

You don't see Blizzard charging half price to someone who only has Horde or Alliance characters, do you?

The idea is preposterous.

You're also able to play both sides as they have multiple servers.
Here we have one server and all characters share the same guild and faction pool.

I happen to like the [now old] EQ model in this respect, where each character could be in a different guild, had their own side, had their own faction. Oh and hey I was able to play every type of character without being hamstrung - there I had 8 characters per server.

An additional concern of mine not getting a lot of coverage - so I'm ready to try the 'other faction' hardcore but my guild isn't. Guild/Alliance have a faction set. So to go deep with the other side I have to consider finding a new guild? Another reason why all chars, shared guild/faction points, doesn't always pan out. If we had other servers... but we don't.

[And yeah I know EQ had a $10/mo fee, but considering multiple accounts through x chapters is equivalent]

Kali Ma · Mar 29, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Kali Ma

...and until someone from Anet comes forward and says otherwise, I don't see any reason to doubt what she says.

Wanted to followup that I'd sent a PM to Gaile the other day asking for clarity on her comment about not being able to do quests in opposing territory, and she clarifed that she simply misspoke and was probably tired at the time.

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

The bolded is blatantly incorrect...

And that is 100% correct.

Mandy Memory · Mar 29, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

It depends on what you mean: The Alliance battles seem like they would be a huge part of Factions, after all, those are missions you can play over and over after you've "finished" the PvE portion, to capture towns or whatever little gimmicks Anet puts as rewards.

And HA is the endgame for Prophecies...which is 8 people vs the world...Thats way more hate than half vs half.

Mordakai · Mar 29, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

And HA is the endgame for Prophecies...which is 8 people vs the world...Thats way more hate than half vs half.

By no means was I implying that the Alliance war portion of Factions is limiting... it is a way of extending the game after you've "finished" all the quests. And it should be better than HA.

But I should have been clearer: The Luxon/Kurzick war is only as big a part of Factions as you choose it to be. You have lots of options, including:

1. Just doing one faction at the exclusion of the other.

2. Doing both factions' quests, cashing in points so you can access both Faction's NPCs.

3. Doing both factions, but keeping your points, thus making you an "enemy" (just for the challenge of it!)

4. Joining an Alliance to farm Faction for exclusive content.

5. Shunning all of Alliance Wars, instead just focusing on pure PvE exploration and farming.

6. Some combination of these options!

mqstout · Mar 30, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

5. Shunning all of Alliance Wars, instead just focusing on pure PvE exploration and farming.

You can't do that when so many of the cities' missions are locked from nearly all of the playerbase and never will be open for most.

xxSilhouette · Mar 30, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Dav85

choosing to be allied with luxon or kurzick does not change anything in the gaming experience. u can reach all cities and do all quests.
the only thing u have to do is go to a city ruled by your side to buy/sell from merchants and traders. that's it

I do have one question myself, Hoping someone will answer it on here...Do the armor merchants for example, sell different types of armor? Like can you only get certain armors depending on your side?

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2006, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by mqstout

You can't do that when so many of the cities' missions are locked from nearly all of the playerbase and never will be open for most.

What are you talking about? A few elite mission will be locked, yes, but that won't stop people from farming other areas...

Loviatar · Mar 30, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by mqstout

You can't do that when so many of the cities' missions are locked from nearly all of the playerbase and never will be open for most.

how wrong can people be?

MOST?

the missions that are essential to finish the game are not locked period.

you do not have to pvp at all if you dont want to from a PM on that from Alex Weekes

roughly half of everything will be under control of your side to begin with.
that automatically gives you roughly half right there.

YOU CAN SWITCH SIDES WITHOUT LIMIT

gives you the other areas dont it?

only a few elite quests are locked and those are bonus material like the UW on steroids which would insta kill 99.999% of the people yelling i want it.

like the dog who chased a car and bit the bumper as it was moving.

*NOW THAT YOU HAVE IT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT?*

S e X e N ™ · Mar 30, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

honestly i see this in one way, fractions gives you 2 character slots if u have gw original so 6 slots total correct? make one character luxon and other kurzick? or is there flaws in my vision :P lol

Mordakai · Mar 30, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by S e X e N ™

honestly i see this in one way, fractions gives you 2 character slots correct? make one character luxon and other kurzick? or is there flaws in my vision :P lol

Your Faction, like all Faction, is common among all your characters created on a single account. If you make a new character, it will have the same Luxon or Kurzick Faction as all your characters. (Weird, I know).

The only way to accomplsh what you seek is to have two accounts. Sorry.

(Or spend the Faction...)

S e X e N ™ · Mar 30, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

GiR well i have 2 gw accounts might as well have 2 fractions too